Further to the article this week on players rushing to the CHL (WHL, OHL, QMJHL), here is a break down of the ages of the players who were full time players in the NHL last season.
Of the 690 full time players in the NHL only 14 played prior to what would have been the player's 4th year in NCAA college hockey. In other words, truly elite players could get 3 years of college under their belt before their 21/22nd year which is usually the break out year for most to enter the NHL.
If a player is a true star like a Erik Johnson, Phil Kessel, Jonathan Toews or Andrew Cogliano he could leave the NCAA early in his 1st or 2nd year and go right to the NHL. However for most, players will finish their college degrees and then try pro hockey with a degree in their back pocket for when hockey ends.
Each NHL team can roster 23 players at any one time. Thus 23 times 30 teams gave us 690 full time NHL players. It just worked out that a full time player worked out to be a player that played more than 20 games.
I compiled the info into a spreadsheet, and that can be found here.
Each NHL team can roster 23 players at any one time. Thus 23 times 30 teams gave us 690 full time NHL players. It just worked out that a full time player worked out to be a player that played more than 20 games.
I compiled the info into a spreadsheet, and that can be found here.
19 NHL Teams have NCAA Alumni as their Head Coach or General Manager.
Prior to the "Miracle on Ice", NCAA coaches were not afforded the opportunity to coach or manage in the NHL. Current Michigan coach Red Berenson started a trend as the Head Coach of the St Louis Blues in 1979-80 that was followed by legends like Bob Johnson and Herb Brooks who blazed the way for the current 19 leaders in the NHL with NCAA ties.
11 of the NHL teams have GM's with roots tied to NCAA hockey. The Dean of all NHL GM's is of course Lou Lamoriello.
8 of the NHL teams have Head Coaches who began in the NCAA. 3 of the coaches are Stanley Cup winners in Mike Keenan, Peter Laviolette and John Tortorella.
Brian Burke-Anaheim Ducks-GM-Providence College
Don Waddell-Atlanta Thrashers- Coach and GM-Northern Michigan
Peter Chiarelli-Boston Bruins-GM-Harvard
Mike Keenan-Calgary Flames-Coach-St. Lawrence
Peter Laviolette-Carolina Hurricanes-Coach-Westfield State College
Dave Tippett-Dallas Stars-Coach-North Dakota
Craig MacTavish-Edmonton Oilers-Coach-U-Mass Lowell
Jacques Martin-Florida Panthers-Coach and GM-St. Lawrence
Dean Lombardi-Los Angeles Kings-GM-University of New Haven
David Poile-Nashville Predators-GM-Northeastern
Lou Lamoriello-New Jersey Devils-GM-Providence College
Garth Snow-New York Islanders-GM-Maine
Paul Holmgren-Philadelphia Flyers-GM-Minnesota
Ray Shero-Pittsburgh Penguins-GM-St. Lawrence
Ron Wilson-San Jose Sharks-Coach-Providence
John Tortorella-Tampa Bay Lightning-Coach-Maine
John Ferguson-Toronto Maple Leafs-GM-Providence
David Nonis-Vancouver Canucks-GM-Maine
George McPhee-Washington Capitals-GM-Bowling Green
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What NCAA hockey playing school did Turow go to???
This is just more 1 sided junk.
Very few players step right into the NHL from the NCAA or the CHL. The large majority of them need to spend time in the AHL. CHL players who are on a NHL track will be playing in the AHL by the time they are 20. They will in essence be playing at a much higher level, further developing their game, than their counter-parts who are still playing at an inferior level in the NCAA.
That is why you are seeing more and more high end American prospects deciding to join the CHL rather than the NCAA
I don't even think Turrow has a degree! He was a scout for a couple of OHL teams but was fired because of incompetance!
So naturally the USHL would hire him ---LOL!!!
1985 born CHL developed players who played in the NHL during the 2006-07 season = 49
1985 born NCAA developed players who played in the NHL during the 2006-07 season = 4
1986 born CHL developed players who played in the NHL during the 2006-07 season = 28
1986 born NCAA developed players who played in the NHL during the 2006-07 season = 1
1985 born CHL developed players who played in the NHL during the 2006-07 season = 49
1985 born NCAA developed players who played in the NHL during the 2006-07 season = 4
1987 born CHL developed players who played in the NHL during the 2006-07 season = 8
1987 born NCAA developed players who played in the NHL during the 2006-07 season = 2
Of the 49 1985 born CHL players who played in the NHL during the 2006-2007 season, 36 of them played in the CHL as 'underage' players (2001-2002).
6 of them weren't eligible as underagers, because they were European.
36 of 43 1985 born CHL players who played in the NHL during the 2006-2007 played in the CHL as underage players.
Heisenberg's 2000 Recruits
hockeydb.com
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collegehockeystats.com
Year 2000 chosen because it was Chris's first year.
Total NCAA commitments = 425
(Chris's list shows more, but, to be fair, I only chose players who I can find evidence actually showed up at the school via stats or a roster)
Total Number of players who played four years of NCAA Div 1 hockey= 260
%= 61% (rounded up). Call it graduation, or whatever you like. Only 61% of the players who started, finished their NCAA Div 1 hockey careers. They may or may not have received a degree.
Players who didn't make it past the first year= 61
Players who didn't make it pas the second year = 100 (61+39)
These players never saw NCAA Div 1 hockey again. Can we call this the NCAA's 'scarp yard'. Are these guys serving fries?
Year 1 fallouts
Guenther, KC
Mantenuto, Mike
Donovan, Brendan
Gagnon, Nate
Horvath, Scott
Foremsky, Tavis
Pederson, Eric
Mawji, Rahim
Pratt, Scott
Hughes, David
Kuczmanski, Jason
Budish, Josh
Glenday, Pat
Duggan, John
Palmer, Gabe
Barski, Phil
Patrick, Don
Gossett, Matt
Jackson, Jeremy
Tappe, Ambrose
Ladochi, Ray
Trevisiani, Carter
Galbraith, Jade
Downs, Jeremy
Russell, Wayne
Weller, Craig
Hirst, Dwight
Wouters, Micah
Byfuglien, Derek
O'Leary, Pat
Dardis, Jay
Garrison, Jeremy
Murray, Kevin
Waberski, Nathan
Krmpotich, Joe
Switek, Anthony
Snyder, Dan
Stephens, Derek
Holzwart, Brad
Milot, Joe
Suprenant, Michael
Fontenatta, Joe
Bauers, Nate
Whitfield, Bill
Bachmeier, Ryan
Wright, Scott
Rohanna, Dan
Martin, Shane
Rogers, Ryan
Daniel, Joel
Heinmiller, John
Burkart, Sean
Holmes, JR
Vincelli, Franco
Lindsay, Scott
Kriner, Drew
Gibbons, Jarrett
Murray, Ryan
Wilson, Jackson
Coulter, Matt
Campbell, Scott
Year 2 fallouts
Schuman, Joe
Kobasew, Chuck
Meunier, Laurent
Eyster, Lou
Clarke, Darren
Ober, Sean
State, Jeff
Banga, Travis
Kelly, Regan
Farrell, Brendan
Veenis, Tucker
Krahn, Scott
Crothers, Will
Fitzpatrick, James
Collova, Steve
Dupuis, Dan
Goodjohn, Kurt
Loney, Kyle
Sharp, Patrick
Berry, Nathan
Kotary, Sean
Micek, Justin
Dahlen, Chad
Petraglia, Nick
Komisarek, Mike
Robertson, Brent
Mantua, Mike
Schnell, Tyler
VanPelt, John
Lenton, Ryan
Rangus, Rob
Jackman, Tim
Connelly, Ryan
Peterson, Joel
Schuster, Brian
Fisher, Paul
Seeds, Jeff
Cohen, Phillip
Locallo, Joe
Average number of NCAA Div 1 Career games for the 425 recruits = 89
Average games played for each year played for the 425 recruits = 27.6
Includes playoffs, etc. Guess a few guys spent a lot of time in the press box.
Bob likes trades. Even though you have to sit out a year if you transfer in the NCAA 19 players decided to take that route. Of the 19 who transferred, only 11 finished their four years.
The 20th transfer, Tim Krueckl, didn't have to sit out, because his Iona program folded on him. He was allowed to transfer to LSSU without penalty.
Teams that should be embarassed
Maine - 8 recruits, 3 of whom lasted 4 years. Of those four graduates Don Richardson played 60 career game, and Cameron Lyall played 58.
Lowell- 4 recruits, 1 of whom lasted 4 years. He, Chris Davidson played only 54 games.
Merrimack - 12 recruits, 5 of whom lasted 4 years. One of those, Greg Lauze, actually Graduated from BC. KC Guenther never touched the ice. Seven of the 12 recruits didn't make it past their 2nd year.
Cornell - 7 recruits, 3 of whom lasted 4 years.
Union - 5 recruits, 2 of whom lasted 4 years. Average career of these Union recruits? 60 games.
Michigan - 6 recruits, 5 of whom lasted 4 years (the other was actually Mike Komisarek). 3 of the graduated though played less than 50 career games (Joe Kautz, David Wyzgowski, Reilly Olson).
Iona - Folded shop leaving 3 of their original 7 recruits high and dry after 3 years. One found a place to finish off, Tim Krueckl at LSSU. Two didn't make it past the first year, and one didn't make it past the second.
UConn - 9 recruits, 2 of whom played four years. 3 didn't make it past the first year. Average college career of the recruits? 57 games.
Fairfield - Another program which folded up on the players. 11 recruits. 6 who never played D1 hockey again after the program pulled the plug following their 3rd season. Unfortunately or fortunately 4 fell out after the first year, never to play D1 hockey again. One recruit, Peter Hams transferred to Miami, and finished four years. Unfortunately he had to sit out a season as he did it before the team folded.
Average NCAA D1 career length of the Fairfield recruits? 46 games.
Findlay - The Oilers eventually folded, but not on this group of 14 recruits. 4 of whom played 4 years. 6 didn't make it past the second year.
Average NCAA D1 career length of the Findlay recruits? 54 games
Niagara - Of 10 recruits, 5 graduated, but, 5 didn't make it past the first year.
Wayne State - 5 recruits, 2 played four years, 3 didn't make it past the first year.
Boy the OHL people just can't take losing.
Why does Turow only choose to use 3 years of College as his baseline? Don't you graduate in four years?
Is he worried that using the full length of college graduation would add 25 more CHL players into the NHL "full time"?
Is this the same reason he uses 18 as 'freshman' age. More than 50% of the freshmen in the NCAA this year will be older than 1989 birthdates.
He loves that term 'full-time', because he knows that there are a lot of former CHL players getting NHL experience at 20, 21, 22, even 19 years old. He has no desire to have to show you that.
From Bob's own spreadsheet
"Full-time" players in the NHL
CHL-NCAA
18 1-0
19 4-1
20 5-0
21 25-4
22 23-10
23 32-8
24 30-11
25 23-14
26 34-12
27 28-11
28 17-15
29 27-16
30 27-11
31 14-14
32 10-8
33 14-9
34 13-2
35 10-4
Where exactly is the CHL losing???
This should tell you what Turow is about...a link to his website, check out the address:
http://www.prospectstourney.com/pushncaacanada.php
Yet look all the US born players going the other way in the OHL alone since he started working for the USHL:
Bogosian, Jenks, Unice, Maroon, McRae, Kane, Palmieri, Hostetter, Shields, Yogan, Smith, McCollum, Mahalak, Comrie, Tatrn..etc..
GREAT JOB BOB!!! Keep up your great work!! The CHL LOVES You!!!!
Anon 3:44
Great work! I always get a kick at the supposedly 84% graduation rate in NCAA hockey. Here is what the NCAA is not telling you. They are only looking at the senior class, meaning they do not count all the players that never made it to their senior year.
The true graduation rate is closer to 60%. In case you're wondering how I would know this, well I work at an admissions department for a large state university.
So remember, just because you make it to D-1 hockey, this alone does not guarantee you anything.
Total NCAA commitments = 425
(Chris's list shows more, but, to be fair, I only chose players who I can find evidence actually showed up at the school via stats or a roster)
Total Number of players who played four years of NCAA Div 1 hockey= 260
%= 61% (rounded up). Call it graduation, or whatever you like. Only 61% of the players who started, finished their NCAA Div 1 hockey careers. They may or may not have received a degree.
Players who didn't make it past the first year= 61
Players who didn't make it pas the second year = 100 (61+39)
These players never saw NCAA Div 1 hockey again. Can we call this the NCAA's 'scarp yard'. Are these guys serving fries?
How about Nolan Toigo, nephew of Vancouver Giants owner Ron Toigo, has now quit the WHL citing that he did just not have the motivation to play anymore. He is considering playing in the BCHL, without NCAA elegiblity left.
The kid knows he made a mistake but is just unable to admit it. Oh the politics Canadian hockey.
Toigo lost the passion for the game...so what are you suggesting? That those who lack the motivation and drive should go the NCAA route???
Hmmm perhaps you're right but chances are guys like that will be amoung the 40+ percent who never graduate!
I have to think that Nolan Toigo quitting the WHL because he no longer has 'the passion' is not a CHL vs NCAA issue.
It sounds like it is much more of a Nolan Toigo issue.
Toigo lost the passion for the game...so what are you suggesting? That those who lack the motivation and drive should go the NCAA route???
What Ncaa school wants an unmotivated player?
And What is wrong with Toigo playing hockey in CIS?
He is a Canadian.....Ah
I think it is more of a case of a player choosing the CHL route and it not being everything it is hyped up to be.
So the assumption should be made for every player who leaves the NCAA that it isn't "what it's hyped up to be?"
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