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Is 16 too young to play in the OHL?Ryanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04409869838544194548noreply@blogger.comBlogger114125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-86856670723079900192007-10-31T12:07:00.000-04:002007-10-31T12:07:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-45079390223910965362007-10-31T10:13:00.000-04:002007-10-31T10:13:00.000-04:00Education program opens new doors for playersDave ...Education program opens new doors for players<BR/>Dave Waddell, Windsor Star<BR/>Published: Tuesday, October 30, 2007<BR/>The Windsor Spitfires feel they've upgraded their educational offerings and the University of Windsor Lancers men's hockey team hopes they've opened the pipeline to some graduating major-junior talent with the announcement of a partnership between the two Tuesday.<BR/><BR/>With University of Windsor president Dr. Ross Paul and several Lancers coaches looking on, former Lancer hockey player and Spitfires co-owner Pete Dobrich completed a personal circle that began 14 years ago when he graduated from the school.<BR/><BR/>"This is an initiative you're beginning to see in a lot of OHL cities," Dobrich said. "From a parents' perspective, in a lot of the original interviews with players, school was paramount. We've recognized this and this is why we're here today."<BR/><BR/><BR/> View Larger Image<BR/>The University of Windsor and the Windsor Spitfires announced a partnership in hockey and education Tuesday. Spitfires governor Peter Dobrich, from left, former Spits Alex White and Scott Todd and university athletic director Gord Grace were on hand for the press conference.<BR/>Star photo: Scott Webster<BR/><BR/>Email to a friend<BR/><BR/>Printer friendly<BR/>Font:****In addition to having a person at the university who'll serve as a liaison with the Spitfires, the junior club will encourage players to meet with Lancers coach Pete Belliveau and school officials to discuss their options.<BR/><BR/>The two organizations will also do some community events and charitable fundraisers together and will cross-market their clubs.<BR/><BR/>Windsor athletic director Gord Grace said there have also been discussions about holding the odd doubleheader together. <BR/><BR/>"Anyway we can cross-market, we'll look at," Grace said. "That may include things like if you buy Spitfires season tickets; you also get some Lancer tickets."<BR/><BR/>Dobrich said four current Spits are already attending the university. <BR/><BR/>The program also bolsters the OHL's arsenal of weapons to fend off the arguments from competing NCAA schools offering the attractive option of paid schooling and hockey.<BR/><BR/>"The benefit I see for us is it takes time to build an organization that encompasses all the things that helps a child or player to develop," Dobrich said. "I've said it many times the best thing I hear in a hockey rink is whether it's for school or hockey, you need to send your kid to the Windsor Spitfires hockey organization because no matter what your son is taken care of."<BR/><BR/>Grace said the launching of the program this season comes down to timing.<BR/><BR/>With the highly-respected Belliveau hired in the spring, the plan to move both the men's' and women's programs to Windsor Arena next season along with the availability of scholarship money, all the forces required to make the program work have finally come together.<BR/><BR/>"The Blue and Gold Scholarships really give us an opportunity we didn't have before," Grace said. "Major junior hockey players knew they could go out west or out east and get some dollars to do so. Now that they've allowed scholarships in Ontario, it gives us an equal opportunity to get players."<BR/><BR/>The Lancers realize it'll take a few years for the full benefit of the new partnership to really begin to bear fruit.<BR/><BR/>In the short term, they'll have to make themselves more attractive to potential players by improving the competitiveness of their on-ice product.<BR/><BR/>That responsibility will fall on the shoulders of Belliveau, who points out how vital a pipeline of talent from the Spits could be.<BR/><BR/>"You need 15 major-junior players in your line-up to be competitive in the CIS," said Belliveau, who added that someone from the school will attend this year's OHL draft to help answer any draftee's educational questions. "We have nine right now and we need to build on that base.<BR/><BR/>"If you look at the University of New Brunswick, they won the CIS championship last year and they had four former Windsor Spitfires on that team. We're not going to get them all, but if we can get enough of them it'll help our program tremendously."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-60408829337495944992007-10-31T00:07:00.000-04:002007-10-31T00:07:00.000-04:00Final Numbers1985 born CHL developed players who p...Final Numbers<BR/><BR/>1985 born CHL developed players who played in the NHL during the 2006-07 season = 49<BR/><BR/>1985 born NCAA developed players who played in the NHL during the 2006-07 season = 4<BR/><BR/>1986 born CHL developed players who played in the NHL during the 2006-07 season = 28<BR/><BR/>1986 born NCAA developed players who played in the NHL during the 2006-07 season = 1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-65239528488589281132007-10-30T23:47:00.000-04:002007-10-30T23:47:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-14600069311695976202007-10-30T23:36:00.000-04:002007-10-30T23:36:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-47435872221573335372007-10-30T22:39:00.000-04:002007-10-30T22:39:00.000-04:00BUT THEY DIDN'T GET A DEGREE!!!That is what turow ...BUT THEY DIDN'T GET A DEGREE!!!<BR/><BR/>That is what turow says is wrong with the CHL, they don't get a degree, they might go to the NHL, or the AHL but they don't get a degree.<BR/><BR/>Your post shows how obtuse his "study" is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-7980324755641749182007-10-30T22:38:00.000-04:002007-10-30T22:38:00.000-04:00First. NCAA guys are the first to accept that CHL...First. NCAA guys are the first to accept that CHL players who go to the NHL don't graduate from University. Apples and apples.<BR/><BR/>Secondly, once again, seeing what you want to see...<BR/><BR/>"Only 61% of the players who started, finished their NCAA Div 1 hockey careers. They may or may not have received a degree."<BR/><BR/>Did Don Patrick (not Patrick Don) finish a NCAA Div 1 Career? No, he played D3 at Oswego. Good for him, but that isn't a D1 scholarship.<BR/><BR/>I am sure when these guys signed their letter of intent, they were hoping to transfer to a D3 school ASAP.<BR/><BR/>These guys ended up paying for their school the same as their buddy down the street.<BR/><BR/>Maybe you can include some guys at North Country Community College as NCAA success stories too.<BR/><BR/>By your logic, the whole point of playing in the USHL and getting a scholarship is mute and pointless anyhow. Just go D3 and pay your own way.<BR/><BR/>You are telling me that Patrick Sharp left school to play three games with the Flyers?<BR/><BR/>No, he left school because he wanted to be a pro. The same thing you slam CHL players for.<BR/><BR/>Read it.<BR/><BR/>"“The plan was to stay for four years (at Vermont), but my goal always was to be a hockey player, and that is what I pictured myself doing as a young kid,” Sharp said of the decision to leave the place he called home for the past two years. “Philadelphia made the offer for me to leave school, and have the opportunity to develop here with the Phantoms, opposed to the college route, and I just couldn’t pass that up.”<BR/><BR/>Bottom line, like it or not, he didn't finish school.<BR/><BR/>Tim Jackmann "left for the NHL".<BR/><BR/>He played a full season in the AHL before even getting a sniff in the NHL. In seven pro seasons he has played 32 NHL games over 5 years. Turow wouldn't count him a s a "full time NHL player".<BR/><BR/>Komisarek had an excellent NHL career, but, he didn't finish school. What did he go for?<BR/><BR/>Chuck Kobasew. Are you kidding me?<BR/>He didn't leave for the NHL. He left for the WHL, and then went to the NHL after playing a season in the WHL.<BR/><BR/>I don't really care why guys left. They left.<BR/><BR/>Jeremy Jackson 'left' the NCAA? Was that before or after MSU pulled his scholarship??<BR/><BR/>College Hockey: MSU Cuts Jackson from Team<BR/>Compiled by USCHO Staff<BR/><BR/>EAST LANSING, Mich. — Michigan State freshman center Jeremy Jackson has been dismissed from the team by head coach Ron Mason due to "accountability issues in the classroom and with the team," according to a school news release.<BR/>Jackson<BR/>Jackson<BR/><BR/>The Los Angeles native currently ranks tied for fourth on the team with 19 points in 23 games, but had scored just four points in his last 10 contests. He missed four of the Spartans' last five games for disciplinary reasons.<BR/><BR/>For the time being, Jackson is still attending classes at MSU.<BR/><BR/>The 5-foot-9-inch Jackson played on the U.S. National Under-18 team, and played his Tier II junior hockey for Chilliwack of the BCJHL before coming to Michigan State. Jackson also played basketball for the high school he attended in Canada.<BR/><BR/>Trevisani must really be upset. He only played in the Olympics.<BR/><BR/>By the way, Trevasani did leave the NCAA fo r the CHL. Thanks for pointing that out.<BR/><BR/>Keep drinking Bobby T's kool aid. Dude.<BR/><BR/>ummmm...any other points to ponder?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-71271934382755384122007-10-30T18:25:00.000-04:002007-10-30T18:25:00.000-04:00ok, this is too funny, and i must admit that last ...ok, this is too funny, and i must admit that last poster who complained about comprehension, needs to work on his research skills lol..stop embarrasing yourself dude<BR/><BR/>a few of your great examples lol..<BR/><BR/>chuck Kobasew..in the NHL buddy lol<BR/><BR/>Joe Locallo - Air Force, left because of a tour of duty as did Phil Cohen<BR/><BR/>Tim Jackman, left for the NHL<BR/><BR/>Patrick Sharp..ahh..NHL<BR/><BR/>Mike Komisarek..ahh..NHL lol<BR/><BR/>Want some more..didn't think you would! More than happy to give you more though....<BR/><BR/>What I really like are the guys he lists that leave the NCAA for, yes, you guessed it, the CHL, oh, and don't graduate. Example) Carter Trevisani, Jeremy Jackson<BR/><BR/>Oh wait, what about the guys he lists as leaving NCAA ..oh..and going to another NCAA school but a division 3 school, and yes, graduating lol..lets see...How about Patrick Don, yes, listed here, a player who, according to this genius, dropped out of school, but rather he went to another school and graduated lol<BR/><BR/>Stop trying to make up things for people to see...facts are facts..and you have none to share<BR/><BR/>ummm......cya! lolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-42139284224136120042007-10-30T14:32:00.000-04:002007-10-30T14:32:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-33660279738061521682007-10-30T14:28:00.000-04:002007-10-30T14:28:00.000-04:00For example. Chad Larose has not been used for th...For example. Chad Larose has not been used for this. He never showed up at school.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-28955162903841454772007-10-30T14:04:00.000-04:002007-10-30T14:04:00.000-04:00Nice comprehension skills. The list of players ar...Nice comprehension skills. The list of players are players who were committed, and actually showed up.<BR/><BR/>"Total NCAA commitments = 425<BR/>(Chris's list shows more, but, to be fair, I only chose players who I can find evidence actually showed up at the school via stats or a roster)"<BR/><BR/>Quit seeing only what you want to see.<BR/><BR/>Kids who go to school, and don't finish, they are the drop-outs.<BR/><BR/>Nice try.<BR/>Not really funny.<BR/>Your post was actually a non-contribution.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-32540379095096990932007-10-30T12:36:00.000-04:002007-10-30T12:36:00.000-04:00thats a hilarious post. he uses a list of players...thats a hilarious post. he uses a list of players that are committments.<BR/><BR/>so, if he was to put, say, matt duchene on that list, a player that would be on that list, but decided to go to the OHL, does he count as a drop out? Nice try.<BR/><BR/>Funny though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-27522596773499202102007-10-29T23:42:00.000-04:002007-10-29T23:42:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-74132113318453279962007-10-28T08:36:00.000-04:002007-10-28T08:36:00.000-04:00you shut the ohl up real fast.after all the OHL sm...you shut the ohl up real fast.<BR/><BR/>after all the OHL smoke and mirrors and shell games, in the end, the truth was in the stats and turow was right again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-52106920778842551972007-10-26T18:41:00.000-04:002007-10-26T18:41:00.000-04:00Seriously.....is that the best you can do?.......d...Seriously.....is that the best you can do?.......disputing a definition about whether 3 players were cut..........there were 289 underagers........that's it?......turow was right?<BR/><BR/>for the record the study is incomplete as more players will get traded and cut as the 89's-87's play out their eligibility.<BR/><BR/>to bad turow wasn't counting 90's....here is a sad sad story.....brent sullivan from the ottawa valley minor midgets who had a full ride to Clarkson and was CJHL rookie of the year last year just got cut after 3 games in Sarnia<BR/><BR/>face it.....out of the 289 underages the ohl will hold up a handful of kids who it works for as "poster children" while the rest get thrown to the ohl scrap yard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-84220697590132830662007-10-26T13:51:00.000-04:002007-10-26T13:51:00.000-04:00The conversation stopped LONG before that.(apparen...The conversation stopped LONG before that.<BR/><BR/>(apparently the definition of "CUT" varies. Reggie and Crawford finally improved and found a place to play. Fletcher was never CUT, he had some personally issues and was eventually traded - he's always played in the league. So has Beljo. And Soso GRADUATED.)<BR/><BR/>Of of the 5, only Boljo might be considered good enough for NCAA, if he even wanted to go to College. But since he has 5 years of free schooling as an option, it's a non issue to begin with.Ryan Hodgsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07377903591576343761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-16631301133849139182007-10-25T17:33:00.000-04:002007-10-25T17:33:00.000-04:00Guess that last post pretty much stopped the conve...Guess that last post pretty much stopped the conversation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-6029469552512294852007-10-24T16:50:00.000-04:002007-10-24T16:50:00.000-04:00OK,I have read all of the posts here. Heard the in...OK,<BR/><BR/>I have read all of the posts here. Heard the insults both ways. <BR/><BR/>Please tell me where the errors are in Turow's research.<BR/><BR/>Looks like his research of the 289 players was dead on for all but 1.<BR/><BR/>Posters disputed only 5 of the 289 but he was right about 4 of the 5.<BR/><BR/>I am sure Turow will correct those like he will all the other trades and cuts that will come over the next two years (Like Martine being traded again this week).<BR/><BR/>So folks, if you are going to carve Turow let's come up with the facts.<BR/><BR/><BR/>(They disputes are listed below)<BR/><BR/>Out of 289 players here are the erros that have been pointed out so far:<BR/><BR/>Traccitto Reggie: person posting said it was an error but reggie was cut last year. He has now been picked up by Niagara and is there for now. So wasn't an error study just has to be updated.<BR/><BR/>Corbin Crawford: is now back in London after being cut last year. Again, wasn't an error, study just has to be updated.<BR/><BR/>Jordan Beljo: poster was correct. The study said he was traded in year 2 and cut in year 4 when in fact he was traded in year 2 and year 4.<BR/><BR/>Scott Fletcher: was cut in year 3 then picked on waivers this year so study must be updated.<BR/><BR/>Brian Soso: was cut from the league in year 5 and is in Tr II so Turow was correct.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-29612241413108495512007-10-24T14:37:00.000-04:002007-10-24T14:37:00.000-04:00This all goes back to the OHL making a decision, t...This all goes back to the OHL making a decision, that resulted in Scouts not attending his Tournaments. Since then he has had a vendetta against the league. He lies, manipulates, stops at nothing, and still collects money from parents because thier children are on the "USHL Draft List"(which is around 800 players??) That is why Turow gets everyone excited, his constant deluge of BS.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-62560107237668576072007-10-24T08:40:00.000-04:002007-10-24T08:40:00.000-04:00Bob's numbers are a direct result of him coming to...Bob's numbers are a direct result of him coming to a conclusion before he actually commenced his study.<BR/><BR/>One way or another, he was going to get the numbers he wanted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-89718727453805883622007-10-23T21:57:00.000-04:002007-10-23T21:57:00.000-04:00WOWTHIS TUROW GUY HAS YOU MAJOR JUNIOR GUYS REALLY...WOW<BR/><BR/>THIS TUROW GUY HAS YOU MAJOR JUNIOR GUYS REALLY ON EDGE!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-61008222239629771952007-10-23T19:28:00.000-04:002007-10-23T19:28:00.000-04:00Turow is scared that his little empire will keep s...Turow is scared that his little empire will keep shrinking, talk to some NCAA coaches, see if they like the work he has done over the last few years, if he represents them?? Just do your homework people. If the USHL is so supportive, why don't they put his "study" on the Official USHL Site?? I wonder why they don't?<BR/><BR/>They know how ludicrous it is. Instead of talking about the positives of the NCAA/USHL, he attacks the competition, but we know it isn't really a competition anymoreAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-64493774023541464802007-10-23T18:58:00.000-04:002007-10-23T18:58:00.000-04:00Hmmm, I wonder how Turrow came up with his 379 num...Hmmm, I wonder how Turrow came up with his 379 number? Did he forget to count the Q. Take the time and go to H.D.com and see for yourself, there were over 500 former CHL players in the CIS. This of course does not include the 100 or so more at community colleges and the dozens more at trade schools.<BR/><BR/>Figures that Turrow can't count!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-91853754275871703032007-10-23T18:21:00.000-04:002007-10-23T18:21:00.000-04:00Around 300 Tier 2 teams (Bchl,Ajhl,Sjhl,Mjhl,Sijhl...Around 300 Tier 2 teams (Bchl,Ajhl,Sjhl,Mjhl,Sijhl,Opjhl,Nojhl,Cjhl,Majhl,Que jr,Ont Jr B,Ushl,Nahl,Ejhl,Ajhl)<BR/><BR/>@ 24 players x 300 teams = 7200<BR/><BR/>(Some teams have 15 players move on some have 3 players.)<BR/><BR/>Lets just go with 10 players a yr move on too School/Life.<BR/><BR/>3000 players a yr looking for D1 money.<BR/><BR/>59 - WSU = 58 D1 schools<BR/><BR/>Say ave of 5 freshman a yr per team. = 290<BR/><BR/>(out of those 5 only an ave of 3 will get $ for school. Ivy's no $ and CHA/AC schools have 11 $ spots per team.= 174)<BR/><BR/>290/3000 = 9.6% will go D1<BR/><BR/>174/3000 = 5.8% will get $ for school<BR/><BR/>So that's the real %%%'s<BR/><BR/>Bob Turow's #'s he dosn't want you to know.....<BR/><BR/>Only 5.8% of you will get $$ for school and another 3.8% will walk-on and pay your own way.<BR/><BR/>Your right (10/23/07 2:15 PM)<BR/><BR/>Math is Fun!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6338873447740614249.post-5593055536427308652007-10-23T18:00:00.001-04:002007-10-23T18:00:00.001-04:00Why do you guys in the OHL always change the subje...Why do you guys in the OHL always change the subject when it comes to education?<BR/><BR/>Come on. Live with the fact that you screw alot of kids. Not all of them but alot of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com